Just a quick note that a new feature has been added to provide a DAW-like capability for stereo/multiple audio tracks.  It has been discussed in the Bug Tracker/Feature Request and the mailing list but I was not sure if you read those.  Anyway, it has been only minimally tested and a less than 2 page document is temporarily at:

   https://cinelerra-gg.org/download/testing/ganging_tracks.pdf

In that same testing directory, are static tar builds for Debian 10, Mint 18, and Mint 19.

@dankinzelman

Glen quote: in other DAWs there is "no need to attach a plugin to one channel of the stereo track and then apply a copy of the plugin other to the other channel".

In looking at the audio code today to study implementation, GG made a startling discovery that appears to be undocumented but very useful to easily attach a plugin to one channel of the stereo track and have it applied to the other channel. So instead of dragging an audio plugin to an audio track and then having to "Attach Effect" and click on "Shared Effect", all you have to do is use the Audio pulldown->Attach effect, choose the effect you would like and make sure the default of "Attach single standalone and share others" is checked on. It will automatically be a "Shared Effect" on all audio tracks (be sure to disarm any tracks that you do not want to have the effect shared on). This also works for Video tracks under the Video pulldown.

Thanks, I had somehow missed this post and the forum had logged me out so my notifications didn't appear, but I've caught up now, I've DL'd the static build and I will subscribe to the Mantis bug as well, Thanks for the work so far!!!

@dankinzelman

@pierre

We have split up the following 3 items into phase 1 for bullet 1, which we call GUI, and phase 2 for bullet 2 and 3, which we call GANG -

• Independent vertical sizing of Audio and Video tracks
• Option to choose stereo tracks as a "monolithic" entity that are acted on together for various editing operations (cut/split/copy/paste), dragging, locking/unlocking, applying effects..
• Stereo tracks contained in the same visual 'lane' in the timeline view
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With today's GIT checkin, you can now independently size audio versus video tracks.  And that's not all !  You can individually resize any track in the patchbay with a toggle.  There is a static Debian 10 tar for testing at:

https://cinelerra-gg.org/download/testing/cinelerra-5.1-debian10-x86_64-static.txz

If there are other operating systems on which someone would like to test, just let us know.  We did not build Mint 18 yet but can do so if Pierre would like to test but we are still working so there will be more changes.

See the attached mages showing the toggle on the right side of the patchbay for each track and the second png for the zoombar audio individual sizing.  And note the tiny little audio track underneath the normal size video track.

I think that groups should not be present by default in the timeline space (as a kind of reserved area) but rather be able to be created, as needed and at will, to join as groups the sound and image tracks that we prefer to see associated in this way on the timeline. These grouped tracks could cohabit on the timeline with other non-grouped tracks.

Ideally, it should also be possible to de-group tracks during the editing process to make them independent if it is realized that this would be more practical for the rest of the editing process.

This definitive list is very helpful for planning.  The more definition, the less we have to guess on how to make it work.  Thanks.

I think what you're saying makes sense and I think elsewhere Phyllis said GG would not be making any changes that would lose the current existing functionality, so I don't believe there will be any loss of what is already there. I would guess some of these features will be user selectable in the preferences or maybe something like a "lock channels/uncouple channels" button or menu function?

Yes I agree with the segmentation of the audio track issue. But aspects 2 and 3 seem to me very related, I might not have separated them.

It makes sense to be able to process stereo tracks (for example, the two tracks of a piece of music) together on a single visual track but with a clear view of the double sound track.

But it is also important to make it easy to treat these two tracks separately at any time, if necessary.

I'm used to using the two sound tracks of my camera with different sources. For example: either I use my shotgun mic on camera track 1 and a wireless mic on a participant on track 2, or I send my shotgun mic to both tracks but adjusted differently; one in automatic gain mode and the other manually adjusted. I would then treat these tracks differently when editing, using one or the other as needed.